Question Regarding The Way OW Handles New Teams In League

[TerryChadban]

Hey guys,
We have a situation down here in Australia where a brand new team has been added to this year's A-League soccer, and Odds Wizard keeps throwing up an error message saying "To evaluate ratings and odds correctly, more games needed with the team: Western Sydney Wanderers FC". Duh!

How does OW handle this situation? Looking at the ladder before the games have started (the season proper kicks off on Friday), it appears that it is basing the ratings for the new team on a ladder average figure to start off the season, and performances from last season for the rest of the league. Would that be correct?

That does sound like the best way to do it, but was just wondering, because OW would have run into this problem before with teams being promoted and relegated each season in the European Leagues.

Still LOVE the program, but it would be perfect if it also covered the Australian National Rugby League as well -- couldn't care less about the aerial ping-pong (aka Australian Football League!) myself, but I guess there would be a few OW fans who would like to see it included as well, so at least I did mention it!

Terry

[Alex]

That's right, OW assignes zero ratings to any new team which is assumed to be average in strength among all others. The same procedure is applied to the intotal values except of assigning zeros.

About Australian National Rugby League and other missing leagues. While we are working on extending the list of automatically updated leagues, one can compile any such league right now using standalone program OW Data Miner, and then use it for updates. It is available here http://www.newhavensoft.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=283.

[TerryChadban]

That's right, OW assignes zero ratings to any new team which is assumed to be average in strength among all others. The same procedure is applied to the intotal values except of assigning zeros.

That's what I figured, but thanks for confirming that, Alex.

About Australian National Rugby League and other missing leagues. While we are working on extending the list of automatically updated leagues, one can compile any such league right now using standalone program OW Data Miner, and then use it for updates. It is available here http://www.newhavensoft.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=283.

I have said it before, but I will say it again -- Alex, you are an absolute legend in your own time!

I have only ever committed to Lifetime Subscriptions to two programs, Odds Wizard and OnCourt tennis, and have never had a regret committing to either.

I not only got the NRL results going back for the last three full seasons, but they also had full results for the three-game State of Origin series going back to 1982, that was an unexpected bonus!

I only have two questions now, if I import the league files into OW will it be able to update them from now on, or do I need to keep using Data Miner to update them until OW officially supports them?

And two, there are a couple of errors in the results of the State of Origin series results files, nothing to do with either OW or Data Miner, but I was wondering if there was any way to manually correct these files, or would I need to get Scoreways to correct them?

Thanks again Alex, brilliant support for a brilliant program!

Terry

[TerryChadban]

Just a quick update to my earlier post. I have now manually edited the NRL State of Origin database in .lea format, so if anyone is interested I can give them a copy of the correct database. Includes all official ARL/NRL games, but not the exhibition match in 1987 in America, or the Super League matches. However I can supply these if needed.

Terry

[Peke]

That's right, OW assignes zero ratings to any new team which is assumed to be average in strength among all others. The same procedure is applied to the intotal values except of assigning zeros.

I think this could be adjusted bit lower for teams coming from lower league and higher for teams that drop down from upper league level. I know it´s maybe not right way to handle automatic rating system, but it might produce better estimations in start of the new season. Often I wish there would be some notice or some kind of mark for those teams as it´s hard to remember which ones are new to league that season.

[Alex]

Thank you very much for appreciation!
1. Rugby-league can only be updated using OW Data Miner. Rugby-union can be updated using live results button provided that a) league file name includes the country name, e.g. EnglandAviva, b) name of league is composed of two parts, e.g. England - Aviva Premiership Rugby, and second part matches league name in flashscore.com, and c) team's names must match those at flashscore.com.
2. You can either correct errors in the league file yourselves, or ask scoresway.com to do that on their website.

By the way, OW Data Miner 1.9 has been updated recently due to changed data format at scoresway.com. You need to download the latest release.

Peke:
Start of season odds are always not recommended to bet on. But we'll keep your idea in mind for the future improvements. Thanks.

[TerryChadban]

Thank you very much for appreciation!
1. Rugby-league can only be updated using OW Data Miner. Rugby-union can be updated using live results button provided that a) league file name includes the country name, e.g. EnglandAviva, b) name of league is composed of two parts, e.g. England - Aviva Premiership Rugby, and second part matches league name in flashscore.com, and c) team's names must match those at flashscore.com.

Actually, Scoreway lists the Australian National Rugby League and State of Origin games under 'Rugby', so it should auto-update when the new season comes around next year. I will keep any interested readers up to date.

2. You can either correct errors in the league file yourselves, or ask scoresway.com to do that on their website.

Yes, I worked out how to edit the results in OddsWizard, so they are all up to date now if anyone wants a copy.

By the way, OW Data Miner 1.9 has been updated recently due to changed data format at scoresway.com. You need to download the latest release

Will do. Thanks again, Alex.
Terry